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		<title>Goals should be Realistic too!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>subra</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know one lady whose husband is a graduate working in the Gulf. Typically like every Gulf employee he too is paid better than say an India job, but you really cannot get RICH on a job as a clerk. So her get rich quick schemes have included collecting money for shady chit funds, shady [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know one lady whose husband is a graduate working in the Gulf. Typically like every Gulf employee he too is paid better than say an India job, but you really cannot get RICH on a job as a clerk.</p>
<p>So her get rich quick schemes have included collecting money for shady chit funds, shady companies, etc. Obviously she was a Talk Asia agent also.</p>
<p>Her ambition did not stop at these get rich quick schemes. She has pushed her daughter into the CA course. The poor kid did not enroll for Bcom &#8211; hoping to finish her CA. Sadly 4 years into the course she has not cleared the stage 1 &#8211; she is academically just inadequate to do CA.</p>
<p>I know her just casually &#8211; having spoken to her about the CA degree for her daughter, but she has not asked me for money for any of her schemes. Her &#8216;clients&#8217; include a few General Managers, managers, clerks, government servants, teachers, NEWSPAPER VENDOR, MILK VENDOR, CABLE TV VENDOR,&#8230;.and the amounts have varied from Rs. 25,000 to Rs. 200,000.</p>
<p>When the newspaper vendor told me (God knows why he choose me)..I asked him &#8216;What does she say?&#8217; &#8211; He said &#8216;You gave the money to THAT company, ASK THEM&#8230;&#8217; or &#8216;Did you give the cheque in my name or the name of THAT COMPANY&#8230;&#8217; LOL.</p>
<p>She is a very shrewd, but dumb woman &#8211; last I heard one broking firm had enrolled her for &#8216;training&#8217; in equity, commodities and forex markets&#8230;.and she is in the process of becoming their sub-broker&#8230;</p>
<p>Do I need to add she is an insurance agent also?
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		<title>Total mutual fund costs</title>
		<link>http://www.subramoney.com/2009/07/total-mutual-fund-costs/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>subra</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One amazing rule of investments is called the &#8216;Golden Rule of Investing&#8217;. The Golden Rule says &#8220;he who has the Gold, makes the rules of investing&#8221;. If this post gets you nostalgic, you must have been born in the 1960s! Once upon a time there used to be a &#8216;ring&#8217; in The Stock Exchange (you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One amazing rule of investments is called the &#8216;Golden Rule of Investing&#8217;. The Golden Rule says &#8220;he who has the Gold, makes the rules of investing&#8221;. If this post gets you nostalgic, you must have been born in the 1960s!</p>
<p>Once upon a time there used to be a &#8216;ring&#8217; in The Stock Exchange (you dummy it had to be just called this, because the other ones did not exist). The Stock Exchange, Mumbai became the BSE &#8211; the Bombay Stock Exchange. The people with the &#8216;sauda&#8217; book went into the ring and executed the transactions. Quotes were given by jobbers (called taravaniwalas). The daily turnover used to be around Rs. 200 crores &#8211; anything higher was considered great. There were 100,000 graduates / undergraduates who worked as jobbers, clerks going into the ring, sub-brokers, share transfer clerks, etc.</p>
<p>Then came technology &#8211; and the peopl who brought it said &#8216;now there is tranparency&#8217; &#8211; after all the tech people, &#8216;educated&#8217; people, etc. had to create new terminology. So out went badla, and in came F&amp;O&#8230;.and many such changes. Jobs changed hands. Frankly do not know whether the benefits went to the investor or the people who created a big army of financial service sector jobs. It would be intersting to see the &#8216;wealth created&#8217;, the &#8216;salary paid&#8217; , the turnover tax paid&#8230;velocity benefits everybody except the investor (assuming he is still alive!).</p>
<p>Then came the mutual fund industry &#8211; &#8216;wealth management&#8217; they said it was. Again distribution was required, professionals were required &#8211; so &#8216;charges&#8217; were imposed. Some people made an attempt to understand the charges &#8211; the super big guys understood and negotiated it. The smaller guys do not understand the charges though there are some who pretend that they do. The amount of expenses that an amc can charge is decided by the amount of money that they can charge as expenses and its own fees. These were fixed when the aum of the biggest amc was under Rs. 1000 crores. Now it is Rs. 100,000 crores. Mr. C B Bhave has an advisory committee which is supposed to benefit the end investor. I have not seen any MD of any company of any industry say &#8220;Regulator please reduce my charges so that the end customer can benefit&#8221;. Well bureaucrats have some simple illussions in life, do they not.</p>
<p>For a customer who invests Rs. 100,000 a year for 30 years the load that he pays would be Rs. 2000 * 30 = Rs. 60,000. However even if the fund puts in a mediocre performance, the amc charges he pays would be Rs. 250,000 in THE THIRTIETH YEAR ALONE!
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